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Why di you move to Cumulous from WD?

Discussion and questions about Cumulus weather station software version 1. This section is the main place to get help with Cumulus 1 software developed by Steve Loft that ceased development in November 2014.
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Why di you move to Cumulous from WD?

Post by Ukwoody »

Good morning all,

I currently run WD and am just in the process of building a new site. When I last looked at weather software about 4 or 5 years ago I didn't come across Cumulous( I gather cumulous is newer) so plumped for WD.

I've become concious over the past few weeks, that quite a few people have sort of jumped ship from WD over to Cumulous and am really wondering why? - especially if you already have a registered version of WD?

Please note, this is a genuine question, not trolling nor secretly spying for Brian, which is why I have used my well known username to prove authenticity.

I appreciate obviously Cumulous is currently free, but was surprised when looking around the web at quite a few "names" that either now use Cumulous or associate themselves with it.
Is it easier use? Customise? etc etc.
If anyone would sooner contact me privately then post their personal reasons on here my email is mark**woodyswoodwork.co.uk (replace ** with@).

Hope I have not broken any forum rules, please forgive me if I have, and can I wish you all a very happy 2012! :)

kind regards
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Re: Why di you move to Cumulous from WD?

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I wasn't sure this is really the place to discuss this, but I guess as long as people don't get personal or rude, and stay objective, then it should be OK.
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Re: Why di you move to Cumulous from WD?

Post by Ukwoody »

Hi Steve, understand your concerns fully and I apologise for not thinking it through fully.
I have absolutley no wish to cause any issues, more - just gain a subjective view. Certainly do not wish for any flaming, or abusiveness or rudely derogative posts towards WD.

Thanks for allowing it and, could any posters please bear that in mind as Steve has requested.

Thanks all
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Ukwoody wrote:Thanks for allowing it and, could any posters please bear that in mind as Steve has requested.
:?: Hey Woody, what was you question ?
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Re: Why did you move to Cumulous from WD?

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Slashmusic,
I thought the thread title and first post were self explanatry
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Re: Why di you move to Cumulous from WD?

Post by iceberg »

Hello UKWoody

When i bought my first weather station and started looking around for a weather software program cumulus was my choice. When you look at weather display its as if you are looking at a heart monitor everything is all cluttered together and VERY MESSY. Cumulus on the other hand wins top awards for being neat and eye appealing and so so many options :clap: .Enuf said.
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Re: Why di you move to Cumulous from WD?

Post by mike_b »

First, let me say that I have no intention of bashing Weather Display. It has served me well over the past few years. However, I would like to explain why I recently switched from Weather Display to Cumulus. I used Weather Display for a few years with my Honeywell station. I recently upgraded to a Davis Vantage Pro2 station and decided to take a fresh look at other weather station software.

I was disappointed with the Weather Display user interface. There is so much going on in Weather Display that I had a difficult time finding what I was looking for. The user interface is also dated. It feels like a Windows 95 era program.

One of the reasons that I originally chose Weather Display was its integration with my home automation software, HomeSeer. There was a Weather Display plugin for HomeSeer. There is now a Cumulus plugin for HomeSeer.

For me, Weather Display had become software that ran in the background to upload data to Weather Underground and send data to HomeSeer. I avoided interacting with the program because of the user interface reasons stated above.

What I really like about Cumulus is the modern, clean and simple user interface.
Cumulus will upload my weather data to the major weather station sites.
Cumulus integrates with HomeSeer.

This satisfies all my requirements for weather station software. I gave Cumulus a test drive, made the switch, and sent Steve a donation.
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Re: Why di you move to Cumulous from WD?

Post by RayProudfoot »

Back in May 2009 when I bought my VP2 I was attracted to WD mainly because of the superb WD Live addon but the additional cost of WDL on top of the high cost of WD did grate. I trialled WD but like others here I found the interface crowded and confusing. It put me off within a few hours. You couldn't see the wood for the trees.

In contrast Cumulus has a clean interface that is so easy to understand a five-year old could understand it. I just need to find a five-year old! :lol:

As well as being visually impressive Cumulus is extremely stable - even the beta versions. In fairness WD may well be as reliable but I never kept it long enough to find out.

If Cumulus has one weak area it's how data is stored. A database would be better than separate text files but that is a comparatively small point. Steve did dabble with Cumulus2 which did use a SQL database but it was dropped some time ago.

And of course it needs reiterating that it's not free but donationware. I would hope that anyone who uses it would do the decent thing and make a contribution. ;)
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Post by slashmusic »

RayProudfoot wrote: If Cumulus has one weak area it's how data is stored. A database would be better than separate text files but that is a comparatively small point. Steve did dabble with Cumulus2 which did use a SQL database but it was dropped some time ago.
I like the philosophy storing the data into plain text files. Also storing the configuration in ini file is a good decision.
As long the textfile access is fast enough, or faster than a Database access and currently it is.

Anyway, my decision for Cumulus was the fact that on Windows2003 Server the original Software for my Lacrosse 2350 did not start, or more or less one driver was not accepted by the OS. In this case, the station was completely useless for me, because my Server is W2K3. Also most of the other Weather station software were only able to import logfiles created by the original LaCrosse Software. So I found Cumulus installed it and when it was up and running, I installed all the other software on the marked with the intension to look what they can do (without being able to make use of it) and all I can say is the same as the other people here already wrote, this Software is a) so simple to install b)so strong in it's additional features.
Finally I want to add one thing and at least for me it is the most important thing:
I never found/used a software, where the Author was so fast in Support (This forum) and also so fast in fixing Bugs and releasing always stable Beta versions.

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Re: Why di you move to Cumulous from WD?

Post by Tonky »

I started with the Oregon software (I have WMR200), after that WD than VWS and now Cumulus.
For WD see all the remarks above and you can add the fact that it did not work well with the WMR200.
Strange readings and skipping data (vacations/weekends) happened on a weekly basis, Cumulus worked great from day one.

And yes, fast support is also a plus. :)
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I must confess, I was a bit surprised when after getting my new station and hooking it up, to find the graphical interface of WD had not changed barely at all after 2 1/2 years. Although I guess there are various templates such as Carterlake to change that.

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I started with VWS around late 2000 but had issues with it (extremely slow support, if any at all) and moved to WD for about 18 months before moving to FreeWx in 2003, Cumulus in 2010 and now my own custom written software.

Why the move from WD? Too many patches kept coming out (and, from what I can see, still do). Brian woudl fix one thing and break something else in the meantime. The interface I didn't care about because I designed and wrote my own web display pages (yes, stealing from other pages as they gave me other ideas :) ). But as time went on and more and more things got broken because Brian attempted to make WD cater for every weather station out there plus those that didn;t exist (not really, but think you will get my meaning if you look at the list of supported stations) I wanted something simple in both operation and display (again because I don't use the displays and there is curently NO software around that caters for this type of operation hint hint...)

The other reason, in 2003, I changed was I had upgraded to a Windows 2003 server and WD was having trouble running on it as a stable program.

FreeWx worked in this environment and did me until I upgraded again in 2010 to a Windows 2008 R2 server (the 2002 Server HDD had died one night so I did the only honourable thing - the disk platters are now coffee cup placemats on my desk and I bought a new MoBo, complete system and installed a fresh new OS) - being 64 bit this completely broke FreeWx and Andy Keir had stated, quite openly, no further development. For about 2 weeks I went back to first VWS then WD then Cumulus. VWS wouldn;t run for more than 10 minutes on a 64 buit OS - it laster less than 12 hours.WD was then tried with the latest incarnation and whilst it was better than VWS it still tended to crash every 60 minutes or so. Plus I wanted to import my data into WD's library (see the other thread about importing data into Cumulus). The problem was, although WD/Brian provided an import routine (as did VWS), WD's was hopelessly broken (FreeWx at one point I had logging every 10 mins,m then every 5 before I wised up and logged every minute - the problem was Brian's conversion routine wanted to generate data every minute regardless of what you originally logged and so 'calculated' the missing minute data. Well, calculated is the wrong word, it literally invented values that were all over the place and hopelessly wrong). I corresponded directly with Brian in the hope of getting this fixed but was told, in no uncertain terms, that WD required minute by minute data therefore it had to generate this missing data (!!!!!!!).

Long story short, Brian never fixed it properly which made the import routine as useless as ti.... well the bull is still out there and Brian has a very short wick on his temper!....

For about 12 months I used Cumulus - then the arguments started about V2 - yes, no, yes, no, give up. (Settle down steve and read on). Personally Cumulus should be doing the basics and nothing more. Simple is best. Let us, the users, do all the fancy bits and add the bells and whistles. For example, FreeWx didn;t generate web page - for that you used GhostWriter. This meant that FreeWx was able to go for extremely long periods between software updates - because it did exactly what it was meant to do and nothing more. Upgrades didn't break previous upgrades and didn't require a new one 2 or 3 days later - sound familiar with Cumulus?

Now I use my own software to read my station, generate the files I need and generate my own web pages from those files (which, incidentally, are both TXT and MySQL so I get the best of both worlds AND a back up at the same time - well two backups really as I store, every minute, to 3 independent MySQL databases on 3 totally seperate machines).

What should steve do? At the risk of upsetting him (again!) - Cumulus IS good - there is no doubt about that. But recently he has been caught in the fix this....whoops I broke that...fix that....whoops it broke the other thing etc. Finish this cycle and get everything stable again.

Then either a) let others do the add ons for graphs, displays, wierd/ridiculous data calculations or b) do these himself BUT in a seperate add on for those that don;t want bells, whistles and fog horns. Turn Cumulus into a Pro package - not free, not sharewarem not donationware (keep V1 if he wants to) but improve the current version so it become, like VWS, WD etc a saleable package. If someone wants to then build, and provide, an addon for say, WD importing, let them by way of an API that allows external developers to hook in to the main system BUT without affecting the main systems data collection and storage.

But back to WD - basically good package that is trying to do too much all the time. Too many/frequent updates and too hard to configure (didn't mention that but try and see how many menu options you have to go to to turn the Internet on or off in WD - from memory there are THREE totally different menus that do it, and each do it a different way that affect the others).

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Re: Why di you move to Cumulous from WD?

Post by GraemeT »

I tried Virtual Weather Station, then Weather Display. Found both to be over-complicated to install and set up, and was disappointed in the user interface of both.
Then I stumbled across Cumulus and in less than 1 hour of running the installer, I had a weather website that I could use.
It just fell into place, leaving me free to go about setting up my website the way I wanted it, instead of constantly messing about with the weather software itself.
On top of that, when an update is released, it's just a matter of stop Cumulus, run the installer, restart Cumulus and you're done.

I hope this is helpful.
Cheers,
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I do not keep my computer on 24/7, so therefore I have to download the data after several days. I found WD did not handle these downloads well. As someone else has said earlier in the thread it was prone to giving errors, i.e missing data, incorrect data etc. It is also a very complex program (I can't remember, was it memory hungry as well) Cumulus is very stable, downloads have always worked perfectly and Steve almost seems as if he is there 24/7 to help you with any problems. Yes you rightly say the program is free but I wouldn't dream of using this program without giving a contribution. Any updates are thoroughly tested before being put on the website as a stable download, thus avoiding introducing bugs.
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Re: Why di you move to Cumulous from WD?

Post by 41south »

My reasons for moving pretty much mirror those of others, WD is just too crowded, and I think tries to do too much. I had Cumulus up and running within minutes doing the basics and serving up a web site. :clap:
My only reason for going back to WD will be if the reliability of my Fine Offset station does not work out - I'll have to go back to my 1-wire gear, which is most unfortunately not supported by Cumulus.
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