log files

[werribee_au]

I know this has been discussed before but can't find relevant posts. I hope I have this right

I use 9am rollover. Am I correct to say that when a day is written to the dayfile.txt, the data that is written would be from 9am 01/01/2011 to 9am 02/01/2011, and even if a max/min occurred eg: 3am 02/01/2011 the date stamp for that entry would be 01/01/2011?

With the alltime.ini, if the above 3am dayfile entry is an alltime record, would the actual date of 02/01/2011 be recorded in the alltime.ini file? If so, would this also be true for the month, today, year & yesterday ini files?

If the above is the case, this would be why I have date discrepancies between the all time records and the reports generated from the dayfile.txt file.

If I was to edit the dayfile.txt file changing these dates to the correct calander day not the rollover day would there be any problems when generating reports that use the dayfile.txt file to gather the data? eg this month, this year, this period.

Thanks

[werribee_au]

Actually, I can't edit the dates in the dayfile.txt as there are only timestamps

[steve]

Yes, the date in dayfile.txt is 'thrown back' to midnight, i.e. the period between midnight and 0900 counts towards the previous day. This is standard practice in the UK, but I accept that this may not be true in other parts of the world. For the most part the all-time/daily etc highs have dates and times associated with them which are straight 'calendar' times, so yes, it's possible that there's an inconsistency here. Any timestamp in dayfile.txt between midnight and 0900 actually occurred on date+1. It's not clear to me at this precise moment whether anything in Cumulus is actually displaying the dates incorrectly?

This has a bearing on the code that I'm writing at the moment, which is to regenerate all-time (etc) records from the log files. I'll have to have a look at what I'm doing with the dates, I'm pretty sure I've got it wrong at the moment.

[werribee_au]

Thank you for the confirmation.

It's not clear to me at this precise moment whether anything in Cumulus is actually displaying the dates incorrectly?

This has a bearing on the code that I'm writing at the moment, which is to regenerate all-time (etc) records from the log files. I'll have to have a look at what I'm doing with the dates, I'm pretty sure I've got it wrong at the moment.

From what I have noticed so far, Cumulus is displaying dates it retrieves from the data files correctly. It's just that date anomaly when using the 9am rollover.

Thanks

[serowe]

This has a bearing on the code that I'm writing at the moment, which is to regenerate all-time (etc) records from the log files. I'll have to have a look at what I'm doing with the dates, I'm pretty sure I've got it wrong at the moment.

Will this also be able to generate 9am (or midnight) rollovers when one is missed? Just having gone through a 21 hour power blackout which only ended about 4pm local time, todays 9am rollover hasn't been done and I am presuming that tomorrow morning I will have daily fogures for 9am 10th Jan and 9am 12th Jan but not 9am 11th Jan.

[steve]

Will this also be able to generate 9am (or midnight) rollovers when one is missed?

No; it regenerates all-time (etc) records from the log files. Hence, it doesn't change the log files.

[serowe]

So - for V2 - would this be seen as a problem to recreate missing entries from dayfile *if* the data exists in monthly? (because a rollover is missed)? Dayfile isn;t really a log - more a 'condensed' or 'summary' file from monthly.

[steve]

Cumulus 2 doesn't have any log files, just a database with all of the data.

[serowe]

It calculates daily figures on the fly then or are they stored separately?

[steve]

Rather than have me repeat everything here, if you are interested in Cumulus 2 it would be better that you actually try it, and/or read and keep up with the discussions in the Cumulus 2 section of the forum.

[serowe]

Steve - I asked a perfectly reasonable question - I expected a reasonable response.

So - as you brought it up - why won't I run C2?

Two reasons - first - it is BETA software. And, no offence to you, BETA software is usually buggy and doesn't always do what it is supposed to do (I've written and sold enough software systems to know this).

Second - you have stated numerous times C1 and C2 CANNOT co-exist therefore I would have to ditch a working version for one that may or may not work. Others may do that - sorry, I don't.

Now - the simple quesiton was - does C2 maintain a separate dayfile set of data or is it calcualted by running through the minute by minute data? (and before you jump the gun - this IS pertinent to this thread). This isn't a hard question and only requires a 'yes it does' or 'no it doesn't' answer.

[werribee_au]

Steve - I asked a perfectly reasonable question - I expected a reasonable response.

So - as you brought it up - why won't I run C2?

Two reasons - first - it is BETA software. And, no offence to you, BETA software is usually buggy and doesn't always do what it is supposed to do (I've written and sold enough software systems to know this).

Second - you have stated numerous times C1 and C2 CANNOT co-exist therefore I would have to ditch a working version for one that may or may not work. Others may do that - sorry, I don't.

Now - the simple quesiton was - does C2 maintain a separate dayfile set of data or is it calcualted by running through the minute by minute data? (and before you jump the gun - this IS pertinent to this thread). This isn't a hard question and only requires a 'yes it does' or 'no it doesn't' answer.

Stephen, why can't you be a little more polite? Come on They retained the ashes so get over it

[steve]

Stephen, why can't you be a little more polite

He doesn't seem to comprehend that I'm not running a business here; I'm under no obligation to answer any of his questions that "require" an answer, particularly when he is consistently obnoxious and in any case the answers have already been provided if he could be bothered to look for them.

I gave him another chance because I thought perhaps he had learned to behave appropriately. I was wrong and I'm now ignoring him.

[serowe]

steve - you never provided an answer. The question had nothing to do with you running a business or was it in any way obnoxious. Obviously the glasses you wear completely colour your outlook.

It's funny, though - obviously I am not the only one who steve 'doesn't like' - I particularly liked this email I received from another forum user:

Steve Loft has been rapidly loosing whatever respect I had for/of him.

received a reply from Mr. Loft stating that he did not care if I stayed or left the forums ......... that he was simply giving up, that he had better things to do

but my favourite comment was this:

when Steve Loft made that final hilarious statement that 'once someone goes beyond using the supplied Cumulus Web pages/templates exactly as they are, that someone becomes a Web developer'!! That is the most ludicrous statement I ever heard from a software designer!

Don't worry steve - I'll leave you alone now. We just wanted to confirm that you couldn't be civil with a realistic or genuine question about your 'software' before we finished writing the reviews of currently available weather software.

[tjaliwalpa]

steve - you never provided an answer. The question had nothing to do with you running a business or was it in any way obnoxious. Obviously the glasses you wear completely colour your outlook.

It's funny, though - obviously I am not the only one who steve 'doesn't like' - I particularly liked this email I received from another forum user:

Steve Loft has been rapidly loosing whatever respect I had for/of him.

received a reply from Mr. Loft stating that he did not care if I stayed or left the forums ......... that he was simply giving up, that he had better things to do

but my favourite comment was this:

when Steve Loft made that final hilarious statement that 'once someone goes beyond using the supplied Cumulus Web pages/templates exactly as they are, that someone becomes a Web developer'!! That is the most ludicrous statement I ever heard from a software designer!

Don't worry steve - I'll leave you alone now. We just wanted to confirm that you couldn't be civil with a realistic or genuine question about your 'software' before we finished writing the reviews of currently available weather software.

Oh, get a life.

It is truly inappropriate to quote others in a forum when they have contacted you privately. They most likely said what they said in confidence to you and I doubt if they gave you permission to quote them in this way.

I have been contacted by an individual in this way and would never disclose this type of information or any details regarding the topic publicly. To me such an action is the lowest I could stoop. If a forum and those on it annoyed me, I would feel obligued to remove myself and leave peacefully rather than "flame" the situation.

Respectfully yours,

Bob