Global warming, not climate change.

[RayProudfoot]

Years ago we called it Global Warming. Then the agenda changed no doubt down to some bright spark and it’s now called Climate Change.

Just one problem with that. The climate has always changed. So let’s stick Man made in front of it. Except “man” isn’t very inclusive as I’m sure many women are also responsible.

But it’s beyond doubt the problem is global and not limited to a few countries and we agree that the temperatures are rising from the Antarctic to the Arctic then it’s warming. They’re not dropping anywhere I’m aware of.

Put the two together and you have Global Warming. Indisputable!

[Mapantz]

Global warming hasn't changed names, it coexists with climate change.

[BeaumarisWX]

I like this explanation : Whats in a Name? Global Warming vs. Climate Change
Global Climate Change !
https://gpm.nasa.gov/education/articles ... ate-change
Kindest Regards,

[HansR]

I like this explanation : Whats in a Name? Global Warming vs. Climate Change
Global Climate Change !
https://gpm.nasa.gov/education/articles ... ate-change
Kindest Regards,

That seems an OK article to me.

[RayProudfoot]

The problem in using climate change is that it could also apply if the planet was cooling. It’s less clear than global warming.

[HansR]

The problem in using climate change is that it could also apply if the planet was cooling. It’s less clear than global warming.

I think you worry about the wrong things: the terms are quite clear after all those years of discussion.
The factual changes have more weight.

[RayProudfoot]

I think you worry about the wrong things: the terms are quite clear after all those years of discussion.
The factual changes have more weight.

Where did I say I was worried? I’m not in the slightest. I have a logical mind. My explanation of why I believe global warming is the most accurate phrase is hard to dispute.

[HansR]

OK, Understood

[RayProudfoot]

Revisiting this topic I’m astounded to see it’s been read by over 11,000 but only four people have commented.

And this in a forum where every member is interested in the weather. I can only assume 99.9% have zero interest in Climate Change / Global Warming.

Or perhaps they realise that even if they swap their gas boiler for a heat pump and dump their ICE car for an EV it won’t make the slightest difference to the climate whilst the three worst polluting countries carry on as they are.

[wurzelmac]

You bring my attention to this very post. (I am looking for "unread posts" every time I am entering this forum, and I have only been here since 082024).
So now that I am reading the post, what comment do you expect from me? The only thing I can say is: Democracies - stay strong and let no Trump(s) be your leader. Be aware of them, they will not accept science...

[RayProudfoot]

@wurzelmac, I wasn’t expecting a political comment as it’s irrelevant and off topic.

I’ll ask you two questions which you’re free to answer or not.

Do you gave a heat pump replacing a gas boiler?

Have you switched from a diesel/ petrol car to a EV or plug-in hybrid?

[wurzelmac]

You are right - sorry for the post.

Do you gave a heat pump replacing a gas boiler?

Warm water I get from a thermic solar station, and a bit of power I get from a small balcony power plant. Heating of my house is done with a climate friendly Pellets Heating (so they told me as I invested in this one).

Have you switched from a diesel/ petrol car to a EV or plug-in hybrid?

For the above investments I ran out of money, but my diesel is only turned on when it's really needed. As soon as I have enough money again the next investment is an electronic car (NOT a Tesla, btw.).

And,again, sorry for my above political statement - but it's written and I don't want to swipe it out.

[RayProudfoot]

Hi Reinhard,

Thanks for your reply. Is Pellets Heating using wood? Some argue that that is still putting carbon into the atmosphere but ground or air pumps have a lot of negative reaction here in the UK. Houses need to be very well insulated for them to work. That's extra expense of course. Plus heating is only on for half the year here. There has to be a compromise between practical heating systems and affordability.

I looked at an EV but there aren't enough charging stations around Britain so "range anxiety" becomes a problem. They're also very expensive with resale value very poor once they're a few years old. I'm considering a full hybrid - Honda Civic - as a compromise.

[wurzelmac]

Is Pellets Heating using wood?

https://www.propellets.at/en
They say it is good for the environment, and I believe them.

[HansR]

They say it is good for the environment, and I believe them.

Environment is a container way too large for this statement. I have the following remarks:

1. In a lot of countries wood is imported to create pellets i.e. we have a biomass displacement. The climate idea of biomass for energy holds only with replantation of that biomass (to compensate for the CO2) and implies locality. That locality is too often broken. I am not even talking about the transport energy costs.
2. Burning wood has problems (see e.g. here). As a consequence I would not say it is good for the environment. Especially in urban environments (cities) or semi-urban environments (villages) under low wind conditions some kind of smog may arise. In my village I have difficulty walking my km to the gym. Notably COPD is either caused or is deteriorated by smoke of woodstoves (remember beteljuice (†) who left us most likely because of COPD).
3. Going into electricity for cars is even more complex as it may assume solar panels for energy but currently we have no idea where the electricity in our outlet is coming from. So a big increase in solar cars may induce power generation in ways we do not even have a clue. In NL they are already burning trees from Lithuania in power generators (at least some time ago, not sure what the situation is now). Point is assuming things will be allright seems a bit too early.

So it kind of depends on your definition of environment and locality of the problem definition.