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Raspberry Pi4 Bookworm clean install

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Raspberry Pi4 Bookworm clean install

Post by oldeflyer »

Hello,
Thinking about getting a clean install of the new Pi OS.
What would be the best way to get my MX install moved over?
Anybody try this yet?
I use MX as a service and am current on the software.

Thinking that it can't be as simple as getting the Bookworm OS running and moving my MX directory structure over, with suitable mods to the service end?

The end game here is to move the MX to the new Raspberry Pi5 (if I can ever get one) running Bookworm. MX is the only program I run on this, to collect my Davis station data.

Edit: Forgot about the Apache server setup.

Thanks,
Wayne
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And install Mono.


I have a pi 5 with Bookworm up and running on an SSD, but have yet to find the time to migrate to it and free up my pi 4 for another project :(

Oh, and no battery for the RTC yet, everyone is out of stock.
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i was thinking off upgrading the cmx ready made image to Bookworm ?
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I'd hold off the image for now, there are still several bits of software I have heard of that do not have Bookworm compatible versions yet.
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I am running my operational system on bookworm (CMX / CUtils only) and have no problem so far.

It was not a clean install I upgraded from bullseye.
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I had an issue with Bookworm on RPi 4 in that realVNC does not work yet with Bookworm. I expect that in time it will all work.
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realVNC wont work if you are using sway/wayland -- wayvnc works - with a few security changes it even works with the real vnc client, sadly it only really works with the default desktop environments. - they also changed python virtual environments which can cause problems

That aside, I've been using bookworm for cmx since prerelease, I just use the x11 system, my choice of DE (xfce) and realvnc as usual.

https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=358915


On the note about RealVNC - Redhat I believe are stopping contrib to Xorg/X11 so moving to wayland is inevitable, if you use the default wayfire desktop, do the client fix if you need to everything should be fine, but I wouldn't hold my breath on RealVNC doing anything sadly.
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Post by oldeflyer »

Thanks for the information.
Think I'll wait for a bit to move CMX.

Maybe just do a RPi5 image to SD card and swap out when I want to 'experience' bookworm.
Read about the RealVNC issue. Going to be using all defaults so I'll get to try a different remote desktop since I run headless.

Thanks for all the heads up.
Wayne

Edit: RPi5 should read RPiBookworm
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Just an fyi from what I understand you are saying

https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-5/
Will older versions of Raspberry Pi OS work with Raspberry Pi 5?
You will need the latest version of Raspberry Pi OS, Bookworm, for your Raspberry Pi 5.
(not sure if this is kernal related or if they just wont support prior versions.

From my own limited testing, bookworm worked great with the defaults and wayvnc - I did have to edit a config file to lower security at the time as that was the issue with realvnc clients connecting - not ideal but I think there has been an update to this. Considering how much emphasis they put on wayland, I wish it were graphically easier to switch out wayvnc to realvnc and vice versa (rasp-config)- as I think that's what's causing misunderstandings for people.

Otherwise it's a good solid foundation to have cmx on tbh.
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After a couple of failed attempts I have now got Bookworm working on my RPi v4, with a clean install from the RPi site. Filezilla installed Ok from the RPi command line and the RealVNC viewer on my pc needed the latest version installing.

As ever CMX just rolled with the punches and after an overnight stoppage just picked up where it left off without any problems or data loss since the VP2 just stores the data pending the full connection. Great job for all the developers of CMX and CUtils. :D
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Excellent - can I just ask as, regarding realvnc, did you change to x11 or are you using wayland?
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Hi Ian

I am using wayland and not X11. It was a bit of a pfaff and I seemed to go around in circles for a bit but I ended up using raspi-config to ensure wayland was active and then check on the preferences/interfaces to ensure VNC was active.

Then on the pc I downloaded the current release of realVNC viewer 7.8.0 and installed that, set up a new connection and all seemed fine from there on.
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To all,
Put the Bookworm 64 bit image on a sdcard to play with on my Pi4b.
Had no trouble with ssh or vnc (wayland enabled).
Tried to install Mono to try CMX. The package install fails on a message that it doesn't support arm64. The Mono website shows arm64 architecture is supported.

The people that had CMX success using Bookworm, did you use 32 or 64 bit OS?

Switching back to Bullseye card for now to allow VP2 to get data.

Thanks,
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Hi Wayne

I ran a RPi with bookworm 32 bit, mono and CMX ran perfectly but on trying to get further functionality out of RealVNC I tried out bookworm 64 bit and like you found that mono is unsupported in 64 bit mode.

I then reverted to bookworm 32 bit and mono download worked fine and then of course CMX build 3263 works just fine.

It seems like RealVNC are aware of certain issues with bookworm 32 bit and hopefully this will be developed in due course.

The main issue I found with RealVNC is that whilst it supports access from a PC to RPi is does not support file transfers in the same way as the version used with bullseye 32 bit. At the moment this does not cause me a concern since I can run things the slow way with a USB sd card.

I hope this helps.
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oldeflyer wrote: Fri 24 Nov 2023 3:32 pm The people that had CMX success using Bookworm, did you use 32 or 64 bit OS?
Just to clarify any confusion, for me CMX runs on an ubuntu container running 64bit mono so I would not have experienced this.
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