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Wind Chill value not the same as station value..

Posted: Sat 26 Sep 2020 1:41 pm
by jon_iz
I run a VP2 with CMX 3.8.4b3094
There's a bit of chill in the air today, and while toggling between the "Other temps" today, I have noticed that CMX appears to be reporting the chill figure the same as the outside temp, in this instance, outside temp is 13.4°C, VP2 reads Chill as 11°C and CMX say 13.4°C
In the CMX options, the calculate Windchill box is unchecked.
Checking the calculate Windchill box in options, also returns the same value. Apparent and Feels like are shown as 9.4°C & 11.4°C respectively, with a windspeed of 12mph.
Is this expected, or is CMX incorrectly reporting the Chill value?

Re: Wind Chill value not the same as station value..

Posted: Sat 26 Sep 2020 2:05 pm
by freddie
Yes, it is expected as wind chill is calculated only when the temperature is 10 Celsius or less. This is because the formula used to calculate wind chill is only valid for temperatures of 10 Celsius or less.

Re: Wind Chill value not the same as station value..

Posted: Sat 26 Sep 2020 2:29 pm
by jon_iz
Yep, I understand that theory and there are various methods for calculating windchill (and no agreed standard?)
However, the point is that CMX appears to be calculating, (confirmed by the sudden drop in the trend graphs at 10°C)
rather than taking the station value irrespective of the setting in options.

Re: Wind Chill value not the same as station value..

Posted: Sat 26 Sep 2020 2:55 pm
by freddie
Possibly CMX is ignoring the station's value as the temperature is above 10 Celsius?

Re: Wind Chill value not the same as station value..

Posted: Sat 26 Sep 2020 3:45 pm
by jon_iz
Thats one for Mark I guess? :)

Re: Wind Chill value not the same as station value..

Posted: Sat 26 Sep 2020 9:37 pm
by mcrossley
I'll take a look tomorrow. It should use the station value if that is what is selected regardless of the 10C norm.

Re: Wind Chill value not the same as station value..

Posted: Sat 26 Sep 2020 9:47 pm
by jon_iz
Let me know if you need any logs....

Re: Wind Chill value not the same as station value..

Posted: Sun 27 Sep 2020 9:34 am
by mcrossley
OK, Cumulus has never used the station wind chill value for Davis VP2 stations.

There are two reasons for this...

1. The standard LOOP data does not contain the wind chill value.
2. The LOOP2 data does contain the wind chill value, but it is only provided in whole degrees Fahrenheit.

For completeness I could change the code so that you *could* use the station value, but only if you have LOOP2 enabled (obviously), and Cumulus is set to NOT calculate the value.

Re: Wind Chill value not the same as station value..

Posted: Sun 27 Sep 2020 10:31 am
by jon_iz
Tnx Mark,

I think it would make sense to include it if the user wants CMX to reflect the VP2 station displays?
I run the VP2 in °C. It only displays wind chill in integers.

I'm assuming you would calculate the °C from the °F value?

Lastly - is CMX still using loop2 by default unless UseDavisLoop2=0 is added to the cumulus.ini file, as I couldn't find any other options for it in the settings of the web interface?

Re: Wind Chill value not the same as station value..

Posted: Sun 27 Sep 2020 11:30 am
by mcrossley
Cumulus does use loop2 default. And therein lies the problem. If I altered the code, the default would become to use the station value which is not what most users would want I expect.

Re: Wind Chill value not the same as station value..

Posted: Sun 27 Sep 2020 11:34 am
by jon_iz
No worries - leave as is then.