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Wind speed upper limit?

Posted: Tue 28 Oct 2014 1:06 am
by DanielF
I'm using Cumulus v1.9.4 with a Davis Vantage Vue 6250M + 6510SER (USA Metric model).

On the two previous occasions that we've had strong winds, Cumulus has measured exactly 140.0 km/h, in both cases from a roughly westerly direction. This is the maximum wind speed I've ever measured. On the first of those occasions there was no significant damage to houses in my area. On the second occasion there was significant damage to nearby houses (and a little to mine) - roofs blown off, for example.

I am suspicious because (a) two maximum readings (years apart) of exactly the same value seems a big coincidence, and (b) the substantial damage from the second occasion but not the first suggests the second wind was stronger than the first. The VV AWS is rated for wind speeds of 3 to 290 km/h, though in my area we don't generally expect anything much over 160 km/h.

I remember many years ago when I was using a Fine Offset AWS, there was a similar problem with the max speed being limited to some value (was it 98.5 km/h?) because Cumulus was reading only half of the station's speed register (or something like that). Steve fixed that in Cumulus, but I wonder if there's a similar subtle problem with the Vantage Vue data interpretation?

On both the abovementioned occasions, I didn't get to observe what the VV console was displaying, so I can't say for sure that there is a discrepancy between VV and Cumulus. Has anyone else noticed such a 'limiting' of maximum wind speeds?

Re: Wind speed upper limit?

Posted: Tue 28 Oct 2014 1:50 am
by beteljuice
From Davis website:

Vantage Vue® Wireless Weather Station

See VantageVue.com for more details.

.......

Specifications

Updates every 2.5 seconds
Wireless transmission up to 1,000 ft. (300 m)
Frequency-hopping spread spectrum radio for continuous data transmission
Solar-powered with stored energy backup
Survived cyclic corrosion tests simulating wear in extreme weather environments
22 user-selectable alarms
12-hr forecasts
Barometric pressure reporting
RAIN COLLECTOR: Reports rain rate and rain totals. Self-emptying tipping spoon measures rain with .01" resolution for US stations and 0.2 mm resolution for USM, EU, and UK stations.
ANEMOMETER: Vantage Vue records wind speeds as low as 2 mph (3 km/h) and as high as 150 mph (241 km/h).

Re: Wind speed upper limit?

Posted: Tue 28 Oct 2014 7:55 am
by steve
My maximum recorded (gust) is 90 mph, which is 144 kph, so that's also close to your max readings. Cumulus gets its data from a software interface provided by a Davis DLL, and I believe that I am using the DLL correctly. The DLL does the conversion to kph from the station's native mph, so your figure would be 87 mph.

It's possible that there is a bug in the DLL (or the console firmware), or Cumulus, but if the latter I can't see what the bug is.

In 1.9.4, in addition to reading the wind speed every few seconds, Cumulus reads today's peak gust value from the DLL once a minute (if you are using a midnight rollover), and uses that figure, in case the reading containing the peak gust was missed for whatever reason.

I would have thought that the shape of the wind speed graph would give an indication as to whether the wind speed was being truncated.

I guess the only way we will know for sure whether there is a bug somewhere is if someone can do a bench test or has actually recorded a higher speed.

Edit: Assuming the second occurrence was quite recent, is it not possible to get the console to display the peak gust for each day in the recent past, as it is with the VP2? Also, you could run Weatherlink and see what it says that the peak gust was, assuming the data is still in the logger.

Re: Wind speed upper limit?

Posted: Sun 16 Nov 2014 2:21 am
by DanielF
Sorry for the late reply – it seems that the default setting on this forum is not to notify me when a reply is posted to something I posted. Oh well, I've ticked that box now!

Steve: good suggestion about checking the graph after a 'suspect' maximum occurs. Unfortunately that's not often (just a 'mild' breeze of 103kph today! ;) ), so it might be awhile before I can check. But the fact that you've recorded 90mph suggests that 140kph is not an artificial limit.

The most recent 140kph occurrence was over a year ago, and anyway, the VV console only displays gusts for the last 10 minutes, so I'd have to be at my desk when (or quickly thereafter) the big gust occurs to check it. I'll try to do that next time!

Re: Wind speed upper limit?

Posted: Sun 16 Nov 2014 8:39 am
by steve
I was looking at my alltimelog.txt recently when investigating a query from someone, and I noticed this:

2014-08-03 14:22 124.475 "High wind speed" 2014-08-03 14:22 123.443
2014-08-03 14:22 125.494 "High wind speed" 2014-08-03 14:22 124.475
2014-08-03 14:22 126.503 "High wind speed" 2014-08-03 14:22 125.494
2014-08-03 14:22 127.500 "High wind speed" 2014-08-03 14:22 126.503

I was moving my anemometer at that time and connecting it to a separate transmitter, and I must have been doing some testing, as those figures are not genuine. They're in mph, so that's interesting.