Using norwegian locale

[sutne]

I have a new installation where I want set up CumulusMX using norwegian locale.
This seems to work with CumulusMX, I have comma as decimal points and dates in norwegian, but CumulusUtils does not like the time format in my dayfile (08.15).
As mentioned elsewhere, this is a bit strange setup, running on a MacBook Air and I start CumulusMX with the -lang nb-NO option.

[sutne]

Mark,
I think this one is for you.
using -lang nb-NO gives time format hh.mm
This format is kind of unknown.

Using -lang nn-NO gives time format hh:mm
which is much more common, and accepted by Cumulusutils.

I can use nn-NO, so there is no rush to have it fixed.

[rogerthn]

I did have "similar" issues some time back, 2015
The culprit was found in Mono "languages handling".
I did write a small program but now I cannot find the source code and the program only do as below.

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echo $LANG
en_GB.UTF-8
mono HelloWorldMMM.exe
Hello World, below is DateTime.Now.ToString MMM, MMMM, ddd and dddd
Oct
October
Sun
Sunday

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export LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8
mono HelloWorldMMM.exe
Hello World, below is DateTime.Now.ToString MMM, MMMM, ddd and dddd
okt
oktober
sön
söndag

Enclosing the program, maybe someone could create a more complete "Mono languages handling program"

[HansR]

I am not really sure it can formally be solved because the language system (as far as I found) does use a dot for hours/minutes separator in Norwegian Bokmål. There is no guilty: if that is the official way then it is used correctly. If you are sure it is not then you will have to work your way through the bureaucracy to change this and I wish you GOOD LUCK

Anyway, I you nevertheless wish to use the official version (the dot -separator for the hrs) then let me know, I need to adjust something in CUtils because I did not anticipate this. Afaics this is not a bug in CMX nor in CUtils. You may see it as an omission in CUtils which I am prepared to correct if really wanted.

[sutne]

I have never seen the ´.´ used in time before. It has always been ´:´ in Norway.
And there is no reason nb and nn should have different time notation.

I thought this was something inside of CMX, but Rogerthn points to mono, and then it will be difficult to change.

Edit:
Official norwegian sites says you can use both: 08.15 or 08:15 (or even 0815)

Solution: I have to use nn-NO, no problem.

[HansR]

I have never seen the ´.´ used in time before. It has always been ´:´ in Norway.
And there is no reason nb and nn should have different time notation.

I thought this was something inside of CMX, but Rogerthn points to mono, and then it will be difficult to change.

It goes even beyond mono. Mono simply implements the rules as does Microsoft in general. This is an international thing.
There is ISO 8601, then there are per country deviations (The Norway wiki btw says nothing about points)

the link you provide, what is it? IBM?

Yes, it is a HCL Leap page (fka: IBM Forms Experience Builder). Anyway, if it is a point don't think that can be easily changed.

I would advise to use nn-NO unless you seriously have a reason not to.

[HansR]

@Steinar: You might be interested in this link which even has a name in Oslo somewhere where you may complain or otherwise point to the anomaly. (Clause 5 and Clause 7)

[sutne]

As I edited in a previous post.
Officially in Norway you can use . : or nothing.

It is not easy.

I will use nn-NO, that for some reason use :

[rogerthn]

@sutne, maybe try enclosed program with different LANGs to check if it's mono or not?
Compiled as below on jessie using Mono 3.2.8

mcs HelloWorldTestingDateTimeFormats.cs

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export LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
mono HelloWorldTestingDateTimeFormats.exe
Hello World, below is DateTime.Now.ToString()
09/10/2022 11:49:35

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export LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8
mono HelloWorldTestingDateTimeFormats.exe
Hello World, below is DateTime.Now.ToString()
2022-10-09 11:51:05

PS

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export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
mono HelloWorldTestingDateTimeFormats.exe
Hello World, below is DateTime.Now.ToString()
10/9/2022 12:06:44 PM

[sutne]

Thank you, Roger,
but will just use nynorsk (nn-NO) which uses : as time separator.

Officially everything can be used in norwegian bokmål.

[rogerthn]

OK
PS
But I needed to know

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export LANG=nb_NO.UTF-8
mono HelloWorldTestingDateTimeFormats.exe
Hello World, below is DateTime.Now.ToString()
09.10.2022 13.19.45

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export LANG=nn_NO.UTF-8
mono HelloWorldTestingDateTimeFormats.exe
Hello World, below is DateTime.Now.ToString()
09.10.2022 13:20:21

[HansR]

@roger: interesting. But does it also have the same result on windows? Because that would say it is not mono which is guilty.

[HansR]

@Steinar: Attached is patch 2 which solves the problem when the date has point separators.

[sutne]

Thank you, Hans.
That patch solved it!

And I deleted the DoneToday in the Map, so now there is a Website in the User Map.

[HansR]

@Steinar, @rogerthn, anybody:
Find enclosed the little program by roger (modified) which runs anywhere under mono and straight away under windows. It takes a locale as argument (e.g. nb-NO) and displays the current date/time and PI with the separators for that locale. It works with any locale defined.

NOTE: this shows that the nb-NO locale is differently implemented under Windows than it is under mono.