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Genealogy
Random question for a weather forum, but is anyone else interested in genealogy?
I am looking for some testers for a new site I am developing -- one area will be the manipulation of your data online. For now I am keen to have testers to upload their data (ged file) and work with the data online. (add people, edit entries, add events, photos, etc, run reports....). The data is private to you and you can also elect to setup other users to access your tree if you wish.
Interested? Or want more details? email me (ask here or PM) -- (address is an image to stop bots. reading my email, so you can't copy and paste it from here, sorry)
I am looking for some testers for a new site I am developing -- one area will be the manipulation of your data online. For now I am keen to have testers to upload their data (ged file) and work with the data online. (add people, edit entries, add events, photos, etc, run reports....). The data is private to you and you can also elect to setup other users to access your tree if you wish.
Interested? Or want more details? email me (ask here or PM) -- (address is an image to stop bots. reading my email, so you can't copy and paste it from here, sorry)
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Re: Genealogy
Yes, I am - except I haven't had time to do much about it the last couple of years....Random question for a weather forum, but is anyone else interested in genealogy?
So what's so great about your program that I'd want to try it? considering all the other wonderful programs out there like Legacy, Family Tree etc. etc., all of them having extensions that are lost when you convert your data to a .ged file?
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I have been working on my tree for a few years, and have periods of intense research and then months where I do nothing. At the moment I have just over 700 family members in it.
.ged is the agreed standard for exchange of genealogy data, so all the core info will be there. However I agree that they all add custom tags to the file which often disappear in translation.
There's nothing to say my offering is anything different, just another choice and good support (oh, and free!).
If you Google for info on Genealogy resources you get a huge number of sites, and so much information is out of date. The sites are all closed so you can not modify the content. I want a community (wiki) site we can all work on. Spun off from that came the idea of the hosted 'family tree' option. All I have done is taken an existing tool (phpGedView) and done customisation and enhancements -- there is no point re-inventing the wheel again. If someone wants a tree online I can host it rather than them having the problems of doing it.
.ged is the agreed standard for exchange of genealogy data, so all the core info will be there. However I agree that they all add custom tags to the file which often disappear in translation.
There's nothing to say my offering is anything different, just another choice and good support (oh, and free!).
If you Google for info on Genealogy resources you get a huge number of sites, and so much information is out of date. The sites are all closed so you can not modify the content. I want a community (wiki) site we can all work on. Spun off from that came the idea of the hosted 'family tree' option. All I have done is taken an existing tool (phpGedView) and done customisation and enhancements -- there is no point re-inventing the wheel again. If someone wants a tree online I can host it rather than them having the problems of doing it.
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David - one of the biggest problems with hosting any genealogical data on line is the availability of it. For instance - if you take your data - should you and your family be available for general viewing and manipulation or not? You are a 'living' person, therefore (as you have already no doubt found out), many sites will not even allow oyu to display your own information unless your data is marked 'dead'.
Then there are issues peculiar to individual countries - England has it's Data Protection Act which, as I understand it, is forcing many genealogical based sites to 'hide' their data behind registratikon systems (Genes Reunited, Ancestry, Sotland's People, Find My Past etc.) and some won;t even allow informaiton for living people to be displayed under any circumstances.
(No offence intended btw) - with 700 people in it, your data is still very small so at the stage you are at, you won;t have much to worry about. My data is currently around 25,800 individuals (roughly 21,000 on my wife's side the remainder on mine but growing very quickly recently) and it is data like this that starts to preent other 'visibility' problems. For instance - Whilst some sites can calculate if a person might still be alive (most tend to use 120 years as a cut off point) - again, if I use you as an example - if you have a birth date but no death date you would assumed to still be alive. But if we take your 4th Gt Grandfather where you might have his birth year (let's say 1790) but no death year, many of the aforementioned sites will treat him differently. Some will assume he is dead (I guess we would have to hope otherwise he would need a lot of caring ) but some (and I think GR is one of these from memory) he is assumed to be alive and therefore his informaiton (name, dates - everything) hidden from view from everyone.
You mention phpGedView - it was one of the packages I looked at about 4 years ago finally deciding not to go with it for a number of reasons. One of the main ones - its slow development. I ended up with TNT - The Next Generation of Genealogical Software. It is under constant development and enhancement. I looked at these after playing around with writing my own and finally deciding, as you said, not to 'reinvent the wheel'
But whichever way - the one thing I have learnt is that no matter what *you* do it will never please everyone (I use the 'Royal You' here). What you may like, say, for displaying various spouses - even to the point of how you put labels on the screen for multiple married people - is in all likelihood going to not please others.
TNG is currently undergoing a very 'vigourous' discussion about how to display BMD certificates - to the point of copyright on them. The one thing that has come out of this is that there are as many views on it as there are users...
You have private email from me - use the domain name in my email to look at my site. You will note that if you go to it initially there are very few menu items on the main page - if you register one of the menu options that comes up is Genealogy - IOW, you can't even see it until you register. Even then - and this is another issue for genealogical sites - I do not allow ANY web bot access to my site - especially my genealogical data. This is another area where you will never get a clear concensus on whether you should or shouldn't allow bots to search your site(s).
Believe me though - if you do go ahead with it - expect headaches and heartache. Personally, go for a package that is already developed and running. There is one particular user for TNG who offers specialised hosting for other TNG users - to the point where all they have to do is sign up and he sets up their TNG site for them. That is something that has become very useful to users who aren't completely literate.
And then you will have to cope with those users who don't and won't trust their data solely to an internet site and use a desktop package to maintain their data and use the web site solely to display it (that is how mine works - Legacy being my mai tool). And even here - as you will begin to find out - even though .ged is *supposed* to be a standard format, there are difference between the way desktop packages not only format the data, but how they include it - a good example is Family Tree Maker strips leading zeroes of UID's of people when creating a GEDCOM - doesn't sound much BUT if your system records, say, John Smith with a UID of 000010 and his spouse, Linda, as 000011 - FTM will give you 10 and 11, Legacy will give you 000010 and 000011 BUT FTM can also, under some circumstance after adding data to the file, five you (wild example here) 93 and 183 - IOW - FTM has this ability to renumber individuals within its data files - doesn't affect its own data, but plays merry hell if the user isn't aware of this issue - and, from messages on TNG, this is still happening in the latest releases of FTM...
Hope the above helps - drop me an email if you want to discuss further (My data, btw, has been on line now since about 1997/98 so yes, have played around with quite a few of the available software packages) - stephen at ser dot id dot au
Then there are issues peculiar to individual countries - England has it's Data Protection Act which, as I understand it, is forcing many genealogical based sites to 'hide' their data behind registratikon systems (Genes Reunited, Ancestry, Sotland's People, Find My Past etc.) and some won;t even allow informaiton for living people to be displayed under any circumstances.
(No offence intended btw) - with 700 people in it, your data is still very small so at the stage you are at, you won;t have much to worry about. My data is currently around 25,800 individuals (roughly 21,000 on my wife's side the remainder on mine but growing very quickly recently) and it is data like this that starts to preent other 'visibility' problems. For instance - Whilst some sites can calculate if a person might still be alive (most tend to use 120 years as a cut off point) - again, if I use you as an example - if you have a birth date but no death date you would assumed to still be alive. But if we take your 4th Gt Grandfather where you might have his birth year (let's say 1790) but no death year, many of the aforementioned sites will treat him differently. Some will assume he is dead (I guess we would have to hope otherwise he would need a lot of caring ) but some (and I think GR is one of these from memory) he is assumed to be alive and therefore his informaiton (name, dates - everything) hidden from view from everyone.
You mention phpGedView - it was one of the packages I looked at about 4 years ago finally deciding not to go with it for a number of reasons. One of the main ones - its slow development. I ended up with TNT - The Next Generation of Genealogical Software. It is under constant development and enhancement. I looked at these after playing around with writing my own and finally deciding, as you said, not to 'reinvent the wheel'
But whichever way - the one thing I have learnt is that no matter what *you* do it will never please everyone (I use the 'Royal You' here). What you may like, say, for displaying various spouses - even to the point of how you put labels on the screen for multiple married people - is in all likelihood going to not please others.
TNG is currently undergoing a very 'vigourous' discussion about how to display BMD certificates - to the point of copyright on them. The one thing that has come out of this is that there are as many views on it as there are users...
You have private email from me - use the domain name in my email to look at my site. You will note that if you go to it initially there are very few menu items on the main page - if you register one of the menu options that comes up is Genealogy - IOW, you can't even see it until you register. Even then - and this is another issue for genealogical sites - I do not allow ANY web bot access to my site - especially my genealogical data. This is another area where you will never get a clear concensus on whether you should or shouldn't allow bots to search your site(s).
Believe me though - if you do go ahead with it - expect headaches and heartache. Personally, go for a package that is already developed and running. There is one particular user for TNG who offers specialised hosting for other TNG users - to the point where all they have to do is sign up and he sets up their TNG site for them. That is something that has become very useful to users who aren't completely literate.
And then you will have to cope with those users who don't and won't trust their data solely to an internet site and use a desktop package to maintain their data and use the web site solely to display it (that is how mine works - Legacy being my mai tool). And even here - as you will begin to find out - even though .ged is *supposed* to be a standard format, there are difference between the way desktop packages not only format the data, but how they include it - a good example is Family Tree Maker strips leading zeroes of UID's of people when creating a GEDCOM - doesn't sound much BUT if your system records, say, John Smith with a UID of 000010 and his spouse, Linda, as 000011 - FTM will give you 10 and 11, Legacy will give you 000010 and 000011 BUT FTM can also, under some circumstance after adding data to the file, five you (wild example here) 93 and 183 - IOW - FTM has this ability to renumber individuals within its data files - doesn't affect its own data, but plays merry hell if the user isn't aware of this issue - and, from messages on TNG, this is still happening in the latest releases of FTM...
Hope the above helps - drop me an email if you want to discuss further (My data, btw, has been on line now since about 1997/98 so yes, have played around with quite a few of the available software packages) - stephen at ser dot id dot au
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Re: Genealogy
Keep in mind though that you can (particularly Legacy) dictate what does and doesn't go into your GEDCOM. There is very little - in fact nothing in my data - that I lose between the desktop package and my web site.dane wrote:So what's so great about your program that I'd want to try it? considering all the other wonderful programs out there like Legacy, Family Tree etc. etc., all of them having extensions that are lost when you convert your data to a .ged file?Random question for a weather forum, but is anyone else interested in genealogy?
Punctuation is the difference between 'Let's eat, grandma' and 'Let's eat grandma'
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thanks for your post -- I did look at TNG but it didn't sit easy on my eye
I opted for phpGedView as my 'base' as it offered me the chance to develop it further and enhance it to my own requirements (as you noted, little active work is being done by the original developer although there was a release at the start of the year). One thing I am quite clear on is that nothing on the 'tree' section of the site will ever be public; I am very guarded of my own privacy and respect that of others. (living or dead)
I opted for phpGedView as my 'base' as it offered me the chance to develop it further and enhance it to my own requirements (as you noted, little active work is being done by the original developer although there was a release at the start of the year). One thing I am quite clear on is that nothing on the 'tree' section of the site will ever be public; I am very guarded of my own privacy and respect that of others. (living or dead)
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TNG - as you say - isn't the easiest but, then again, genealogy isn't either.
Visibility of people is one area I consider TNG to be quite good at now - you can actually hide living people from view if they haven't egistered. I am one of those people that believe if you are doing genealogical research then all your informaiton should be available. If this is by way of a restricted site - I have no problem with that, but I guess I do get annoyed when I have someone say 'go to my site - have a look and see if any of it matches...' and then find that anyone still living is marked as 'hidden' or 'private'.
Another area TNG has is the ability to have 'branches' - so a tree can be split into various branches with differing rights for users placed on each branch.
Darrin is now also getting into allowing 'mods' to be made on the package - this allows users to tweak things the way they want rather than how Darrin programs it.
Visibility of people is one area I consider TNG to be quite good at now - you can actually hide living people from view if they haven't egistered. I am one of those people that believe if you are doing genealogical research then all your informaiton should be available. If this is by way of a restricted site - I have no problem with that, but I guess I do get annoyed when I have someone say 'go to my site - have a look and see if any of it matches...' and then find that anyone still living is marked as 'hidden' or 'private'.
Another area TNG has is the ability to have 'branches' - so a tree can be split into various branches with differing rights for users placed on each branch.
Darrin is now also getting into allowing 'mods' to be made on the package - this allows users to tweak things the way they want rather than how Darrin programs it.
Punctuation is the difference between 'Let's eat, grandma' and 'Let's eat grandma'
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Probably not the right place to get into a comparison of offerings, however phpGedView offers all the same features.
Perhaps you can help with writing articles for the site, given your passion and experience?
Perhaps you can help with writing articles for the site, given your passion and experience?
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Our family has been traced back to 1672 when he arrived from London. We wonder if he left because of the great London fire.
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What release are you saying came out? 2011 or 2010? The latest I can see is Dec 2009 (which in itself was a 4 month wait after the previous release broke PostgreSQL usage)daj wrote:I opted for phpGedView as my 'base' as it offered me the chance to develop it further and enhance it to my own requirements (as you noted, little active work is being done by the original developer although there was a release at the start of the year).
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13 Jan 2011; my birthday, so I figured it was a 'sign' -- Their wiki is so out of date; I started to update some pages but I don't have time to work on their site as I have my own to build.What release are you saying came out? 2011 or 2010? The latest I can see is Dec 2009 (which in itself was a 4 month wait after the previous release broke PostgreSQL usage)
To be honest, I am now just using it as a base for me to add to. Initially I was hoping simply to customise it via a theme but already I find myself into the coding to add/remove/enhance features
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David, before you get yourself too 'deeply' involved with such an old software, would it not be better that you use something newer and much more up-to-date, something, for example, like WordPress or Joomla! or even BoltWire - if you are going to invest time and efforts, you might invest in a software that you can 'tailor-made' to your needs and a software that is regularly updated...
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Those are Content Management systems -- some have Genealogy add ons but most simply integrate with phpGedview or offer limited featuresgemini06720 wrote:for example, like WordPress or Joomla! or even BoltWire
I haven't found anything else I can customise as much
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You might want to have a more in depth look at BoltWire which is 'web development engine' - '...a CMS, a wiki, a search engine, and more, all rolled together...'daj wrote: I haven't found anything else I can customise as much
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I haven't found anything in Boltwire which gives me Genealogy features; nor any addons. Or are you simply referring to the Wiki part of the site?
I do appreciate there are a plethora of CMS systems, of which I have yet to select one for the other aspect of the site. Boltwire and Drupal both interest me
I do appreciate there are a plethora of CMS systems, of which I have yet to select one for the other aspect of the site. Boltwire and Drupal both interest me